Kint Sonnemont ([info]kint) wrote,
@ 2009-03-17 22:32:00
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How'd I do, Mykie?
I recently subscribed to the RIMagick Yahoo!Group since... well... I'm headed that way soon and figured I'd meet some locals of a pagan-y bent. Anywho, somebody posted a link the other day to an Australian article with the headline "KIDS as young as three are going bush hunting with their parents in a trend that experts fear will teach them brutality." This brought on several comments to the effect of "These parents are irresponsible," "Kids with guns grow up to be criminals," and "Hunting is icky! That's what supermarkets are for." Now, I'm by no means a gun rights advocate, but this struck me, at the very least, as silly. The supermarket bit actually got my blood... well, simmering if not boiling. Finally one reasonable (IMHO) response came up and then I was able to settle a bit and type out my reply.

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Many thanks for this reply. I held a bb gun but once as a kid (Scout camp). That said, I think painting all who allow children around guns with the same broad brush stroke is a disservice to many responsible parents. Saying that kids who know how to use guns are likely to be future criminals is a bit unfounded in and of itself. Teaching children a respectful understanding of such dangerous tools seems to me far more respnsible than simply exposing them to media that shows the use of such weapons quite regularly, and often with little regard to consequences thereof.

In addition, I think those who actively hunt for food, even if they do not need to because of supermarketsas mentioned, can have a better understanding of and respect for the fact that, yes, an animal has died such that you might subsist and live. Not to say any and all share this feeling, but the potential is much greater than for one shopping at the supermarket with all those neat little cuts of meat, completely disassociated from the animal from whence they came, and served up in sanitary little shrink-wrapped styrofoam packages. I think this is a very important little truth lost of many in this day and age.

All that said, there certainly are plenty of irresponsible families who do not treat guns with due respect and care. And sport hunting, killing solely because one is able, I personally see a problem there (and perhaps this is the case with the kids in Australia). It's just that not all who own guns and hunt are like this, and I think it's worth giving those folks some credit.

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Is that passable, Mykie? :)


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[info]wolven_aeons
2009-03-18 02:46 am UTC (link)
That's interesting. One of my witch friends was taught hunting as part of the survival-in-the-wild training required by her circle.

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[info]zookee
2009-03-18 08:49 am UTC (link)
Okay, first I thought that RIM-magic was a far far better group than it actually is, THEN I was "Nobody's made a single joke about kids hunting for bush?!?"

This post has been an utter diasppointment. :(

Just kidding XD I happen to toally agree with you on the whole people-don't-realise-where-their-food-comes-from front :)

Good jurb!

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[info]kint
2009-03-18 09:43 am UTC (link)
That would be hot. Haven't found that group yet, though.

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[info]schnee
2009-03-18 11:59 am UTC (link)
I'm not sure I agree with you on hunting for food - it's not something I have thought about enough yet, but my gut feeling is that there is a difference between killing an animal that was bred and raised for food and a wild animal. And that's not even getting into practical issues such as whether everyone who was able to get a gun is automatically able to actually kill an animal with a minimum of pain/suffering/stress/fear.

I'd be all for taking kids to butcher's shops so that they could see where meat actually comes from, though.

And of course, I do agree about "sports" hunting, although I'd probably use stronger words there, to say the least. c.c

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[info]kint
2009-03-18 12:15 pm UTC (link)
I understand the point of a hunter's skill, and the ability thereof to take an animal down quickly. On the flipside, I think there's a major 'quality of life' issue, as it were. A wild animal can, for it's entirely life, do what an animal does. Farmed animals tend to be subject to pretty abyssmal conditions, with the swiftness of death being but one concern piled up on top of many. Standards in the EU may well be higher than they are here, but I know here at least they can be pretty awful.

Of course, given the size of the human population hunters still need to be a relative minority. If everybody decided to take up a gun and go hunting for dinner we'd have an entirely different problem.

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[info]schnee
2009-03-18 12:22 pm UTC (link)
Aye, that's certainly true - there's such a thing as, say, a pig being raised on a small local farm doing all the things that pigs do (and enjoy doing) on one hand and intensive pig farming on the other hand, and arguably, the latter is even more unethical than killing a wild animal.

But I think this may also be an issue of "two wrongs don't make one right" - or, more precisely, an issue of the fact that one's able to point to something even worse not making it OK to do something that is not *quite* as bad.

Of course, the question of whether I think it's - basically - acceptable to kill a farm-raised animal but not a wild one remains, and I'm not sure I really can provide an airtight (so to speak), compelling reason for this.

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[info]greenshadows
2009-03-18 03:32 pm UTC (link)
Total agreement with your POV, Tony - very awesome that you spoke up. I no longer hunt myself but my dad and grampas were responsible hunters that NEVER killed just for sport - we ate whatever it was!

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